Another question guys. I have a Sony 51″ HDTV but still have our old non-prog scan DVD player. I’ve read that a prog scan is much better and other places I’ve read that it won’t make much difference unless you buy a super high end model. Is it worthwhile to get a prog scan DVD player for my digital TV? What improvements would I notice? I’ve read that even with prog scan, you can still get images that don’t fill the screen which I thought prog scan took care of. Any info would be appreciated as would specific player models if you recommend upgrading to the prog scan.
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I think it absolutely makes a difference. I have seen both prog. and non. progressive side by side and it makes a significant difference. Since you I have the newest prog. scan model by Sony and I love it. The reason I got it was becasue my HDTV STB is Sony and it made the all in one control situation easier.
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Dolphinboy
Your still going to have some DVD’s not filling the screen,
skibum
I also have a 51″ Sony RPTV (51HW40) and an older interlaced DVD player (Toshiba 1600). I’ve tried out a couple of progressive scan DVD players, but returned them when I couldn’t see a significant improvement.
The first one was the much celebrated Panasonic RP82. I thought there was a small improvement in PQ although it was hard to be sure after adjusting the TV’s user controls (i.e., color, brightness, contrast, sharpness, etc.) for each player. FWIW, my girlfriend couldn’t tell any difference between the Panny and Toshiba.
I didn’t spend much time watching difficult material, such as video or improperly flagged movies, where this player is said to excel. I kind of wish I had kept this player, but I certaintly didn’t see it as a major improvement in PQ. In fact, I struggled to see an improvement and never was sure if I did or not.
The second one I tried was a Sony progressive scan (715p, I think). This was a signifant step down from the both the Panny and using the HW40′s internal line doubler. The 715 displayed artifacts with difficult material. An example of this was during one of the attack scenes on Pearl Harbor. The open blinds covering the windows of the barracks were jumping all over the place. Similar problems could be scene with high wire lines.
I never have seen problems like this using the HW40′s internal line doubler set to Cinemotion or with the Pannasonic RP82. One thing to remember is, that the line doubler on the Sony RPTV’s (DRC in Sony-speak) is very good and is better than those found in many cheaper DVD players.
The DRC does the same thing that the “progressive scan” feature does. Theoretically there is a benefit to performing this function in the DVD because the DVD player has the original digitial signal to work. With an interlaced player the signal is converted to analog passed through the component connections and then reconverted to digital so the DRC can do its thing. This typically results in some loss of resolution, but whether it’s a discernable difference without looking at test patterns is debatable.
Having said all that, I suggest you pick up a progressive scan player from some place that has a good return policy and try it out. Only you can answer your question.
BTW, interlaced and progressive have nothing to do with the black bars. That’s a function of what aspect ratio in which the movie was filmed. Movies with higher than a 1.85:1 aspect ratio will have black bars unless you use some type of zoom which has the negative side effect of either distorting or cutting off a portion of the picture.
Harmon
I don’t have a top end hd set but I think dvd’s are sharper when progressive scan is used. The one problem the player I use is that if the disc is 4:3 I must set it for interlace, otherwise the image is spread out over the picture area and looks unnatureral
As an FYI, progressive scan is only sent out the component video connection (and DVI should you have a dvd player with one). With the cost of a cheap progressive dvd player being around $75, its definitely worth the money. There of course is a difference in the interlaced to progressive conversion between the inexpensive players and the ones the use Fourudja’s DCDi or Silicon Images’ DVDO chip to do the conversion. Does the difference justify the $300+ pricetag for those units, well that all depends on the person and how concerned they are with picture quality and video artifacts
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Rob
Most new Sony RPTVs do 2:3 pulldown so any interlaced source becomes progressive.
Buying a progressive scan DVD player won’t make a difference.
At least it doesn’t here.
I recently bought a progressive scan DVD (Sony) to upgrade. I would be hard pressed to say it made a huge difference, but I haven’t been able to do a side by side comparison either. Either way though, if blue laser DVDs come out soon (which it sounds like they are getting very close – one is out in Japan, and the big wigs are getting close on figuring out which coding to use), you may consider holding on to your cash and save up so you can watch DVD’s in HD!! (of course that means buying all new HD DVD’s also). And yes, the new blue laser DVD’s will be backward compatible with standard DVD’s (and will more than likely be progressive).